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虽厌恶$SNAP，但鉴于降本增效未定价，建议买入。
@robswainept 我依然从心底讨厌 $SNAP，宁愿选择其他股票。但从数据来看，最新更新大幅降低了运营支出(OpEx)并增加了营收，显然市场尚未对此进行定价。虽然目前还为时过早，但大概率为买入(Buy)。
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@robswainept I still hate $SNAP from the bottom of my heart and would prefer other stocks any day of the week. But numbers wise, the new update reduces OpEx by a ton and increases revenue, but clearly hasn't been priced in yet. Obviously a bit early, so probably just a Buy.
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Snapchat通过存储变现降本增效，预计FCF大增，估值有望重估。
Snapchat 投资论点：一只被看空的股票如何重估为买入。 $SNAP 完成了关键转折，将其最大支出项转变为收入来源。 与 $META、$RDDT 相比，SNAP 要实现增长需要做两件事。 而……Snapchat 终于做到了其中一件。 那就是： 1. 变现“回忆”（存储）——潜在 50%+ 的上涨空间。 2. 通过公开 Web 应用 + TikTok 式信息流与 TikTok 竞争（1000%+ 上涨空间） Snapchat 终于通过第 1 点完成了转折，将其最大的运营支出 (OPEX) 变成了收入来源：他们实现了存储变现并删除了浪费的存储。 Snap 每季度收入 13.5 亿美元，且以健康速度增长，拥有 10 亿+ 月活跃用户 (MAU)。尽管收入数字庞大，但他们并未盈利。为什么？ 因为像我这样无数人存储了 10 年前拍摄的 GB 级视频。Snapchat 一直在免费支付 Google Cloud 来存储所有这些内容。Google Cloud 的成本每个季度都严重侵蚀其净利润。 因此，随着这一最新变化——向用户收费（类似 iCloud）以获取存储，这是一个巨大的新收入来源， 同时在大幅降低运营支出 (OpEx) 的基础上，Snapchat 刚刚获得了重估。 _云成本细分_ Snap 的云基础设施是其最大成本之一，历史上每年超过 24 亿美元（收入成本）。 其中大部分是“回忆”和视频等功能的存储 + 带宽。 回忆 + 视频档案 ≈ 云支出的 35-40%（估算） ~90% 的用户在 5GB 限额以下（无成本变化），但 10% 的重度用户持有大部分存储数据 _如果 Snap 删除 ~50% 的现有存储数据（非付费用户的旧视频/照片）_ 结果： 24 亿美元的 40% = 9.6 亿美元与回忆相关的云成本基线 重度用户存储减少 50% ~ 4.8 亿美元节省（激进估算） 考虑到数据迁移、部分重新分配、杂项： -> Snap 可能 realistically 实现其中的 ~40%，即每年节省 ~1.8-2 亿美元运营支出 (OPEX) 这直接转化为营业利润 + 自由现金流 (FCF)，因为这是纯粹的成本削减。 _付费存储收入（小用户群场景）_ 假设只有少量用户付费——远低于 iCloud 的 60% 采用率： MAU：~9 亿，付费用户：2%（~1800 万） 平均计划：2.49 美元/月（大多数在 1.99 或 3.99 美元层级） 每用户平均收入 (ARPU)：~30 美元/年 收入 = 1800 万 × 30 美元 = 每年 5.4 亿美元 减去 ~1 亿美元托管费 -> 4.4 亿美元净收入 这笔收入是经常性、高毛利的，并直接增加 FCF。 _预计年度综合影响：_ 运营支出节省（云）= +1.9 亿美元 付费存储收入 = +5.4 亿美元 存储成本 (COGS) = –1 亿美元 净 FCF 改善 = +6.3 亿美元 _估值重估_ 如果市场基于 ~8.5 亿美元可持续 FCF 对 Snap 进行重估： 应用 35 倍 EV/FCF 倍数（适用于利润率改善的成长型科技公司） EV ≈ 300 亿美元 → 市值 ≈ 310-330 亿美元 激进倍数 FCF 估算 8.5 亿美元 市值 25 倍 × 212.5 亿美元 EV ~ 220-230 亿美元市值（~13-14 美元/股） 30 倍 × 255 亿美元 EV ~ 260 亿美元市值（~15-16 美元/股） 35 倍 × 297.5 亿美元 EV ~ 310-320 亿美元市值（~19-20 美元/股） 从今天的 ~8.50 美元 -> 潜在 +50-100%+ 上涨空间，在 12-18 个月内，假设： - 执行顺利（无重大用户反弹，但我真的不认为用户会离开。）我个人会付费，因为我 5-10 年前用过 Snap，但不希望我的数据被删除。 - 3 次美联储降息压缩贴现率 - 投资者认可远期 FCF 当然，所有这一切都要在 1 年后才会发生。此外，我基于很多假设，例如 2% 的用户会付费（如 Dropbox），而 iCloud 有 60% 的用户。 _只是想给 @fossinvest 打个招呼，这是我做尽职调查 (DD) 时发现的一个小账号。他们也做了计算，但使用了更激进的算法 + 类似的想法，我要感谢他们提供的图片。 我可能在推测数字时出错（例如 1-1.5 亿美元运营支出，1% 的付费用户，但即使这样 FCF 也会得到巨大提升）。 无论如何，这是 SNAP 历史上在收入生成和运营支出削减方面做出的最大实质性改变，理应获得重估。 市场和对冲基金现在开始将其定价，因为他们是前瞻性的，但消化这一消息需要一些时间。
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The Snapchat Thesis: How a 🐶💩 Stock Re-Rated from Sell to Buy. $SNAP flipped the switch, making their biggest expense a revenue stream. There's two things that SNAP needed to do to grow vs. $META, $RDDT. and... Snapchat finally did it, well one of two. That is: 1. Monetize Memories (Storage) - potential 50%%+ upside. 2. Compete vs Tiktok with a public web app + Tiktok-style feed (1000%+ upside) Snapchat finally flipped the switch with #1 and made their biggest OPEX expense a revenue stream: They monetized storage and deleted wasteful storage. _ Snap brings in $1.35B revenue a quarter and is growing at healthy rates with 1B+ MAU. Despite large revenue numbers, they're not profitable. Why? Because countless people like myself have stored GBs of videos taken from 10 years ago. Snapchat has been paying Google Cloud to store all of that for free. Google Cloud costs just eats so much into its net profits every quarter. So with this recent change - charging users (like iCloud) for storage, which is a huge new revenue stream, On top of reducing OpEx by a massive margin, Snapchat just got a rerating. _ Cloud Cost Breakdown Snap’s cloud infrastructure is one of its largest costs, historically over $2.4B annually (cost of revenue). Most of that is storage + bandwidth for features like Memories and videos. Memories + video archives ≈ 35-40% of cloud spend (estimates) ~90% of users under the 5GB cap (no cost change), but 10% heavy users hold the majority of stored data _ If Snap deletes ~50% of existing stored data (non-paying users’ old videos/photos) Result: 40% of $2.4B = $960M cloud cost baseline tied to Memories 50% reduction in heavy-user storage ~ $480M savings (aggressive est.) After accounting for data migration, partial reallocation, misc: -> Snap may realistically realize ~40% of that, or ~$180–200M OPEX saved annually This goes straight to operating profit + FCF, since it’s a pure cost cut. _ Revenue from Paid Storage (Small User Base Scenario) Assuming a small number of users pay-far less than iCloud’s 60% adoption: MAU: ~900 million, Paying users: 2% (~18 million) Average plan: $2.49/month (most on $1.99 or $3.99 tiers) ARPU: ~$30/year Revenue = 18M × $30 = $540M per year Subtract ~$100M in hosting -> $440M net This revenue is recurring, high-margin, and adds directly to FCF. _ Estimated Combined Annual Impact: OPEX savings (cloud) = +$190M Paid storage revenue= +$540M Storage costs (COGS) = –$100M Net FCF improvement= +$630M _ Valuation Rerating If the market rerates Snap based on ~$850M sustainable FCF: Apply a 35× EV/FCF multiple (typical for growth tech with improving margins) EV ≈ $30B → Market cap ≈ $31–33B Aggressive Multiple FCF est. $850M _ Market Cap 25 × $21.25B EV ~ $22–23B mc (~$13–14/share) 30 x $25.5B EV ~ $26B mc (~$15–16/share) 35 x $29.75B EV ~ $31–32B mc (~$19–20/share) From ~$8.50 today -> potential +50–100%+ upside within 12–18 months, assuming: - Execution is smooth (no major user backlash, but really don't think users would quit.) Personally I'd just pay for it since I used Snap 5-10 years ago but don't want my data deleted. - 3 Fed rate cuts compress discount rates - Investors credit forward FCF Of course, all of this only happens 1 year from now. Also, I'm going off a lot of assumptions, such as 2% of users will pay (eg. Dropbox), vs. ICloud has 60% of users. _ Just thought I'd give a shoutout to @fossinvest, a small account I found while doing DD. They also did the math but used more aggressive calculations + similar idea, I'll give them credit for the image. _ I could be wrong with speculating the numbers (eg. $100-150M opex, and 1% paying users, but even with this FCF gets a huge boost). Either way, this is the largest material change SNAP has made for both revenue generation and operational expense cuts in history and it deserves a re-rating after. Market and hedge funds will now start to price this in since they're forward looking, but will take some time to digest the news.
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给出NBIS不同价位操作建议，并提及随新闻重估。
@heaty70 对于 $NBIS，低于 $145 是强力买入，$145-$170 区间为买入/持有。很难给出确切数字，但鉴于我在该价位卖出了 CC（看涨期权），$170 以上我会转为持有/卖出。显然，我会根据 $META / $CRWV 等新消息每周重新评估其估值。
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@heaty70 Anything under $145 for $NBIS is a strong buy, $145-$170 Buy/Hold. Hard to give a figure but I'd switch it to hold/sell at $170+ since I did sell CC's at that strike. Obviously re-rating it weekly on new news like $META / $CRWV.
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VIX未达预期且降息在即，但VIRT仍具极高对冲价值且被低估。
@jamiemints 在政府停摆期间，波动率指数(VIX) 的飙升幅度不及我预期，且目前市场预计还有两次降息。波动率与 $VIRT 高度相关。如果市场真的暴跌两周，它将是理想的对冲工具。目前其估值仍然极低。
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@jamiemints VIX didn’t spike as much as I hoped during government shutdown and now we have two more rate cuts projected. Volatility + $VIRT are highly correlated. It was the ideal hedge in case markets ended up tanking for two weeks. Still extremely undervalued.
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关注美光科技低前瞻市盈率，计划进行深入研究。
@Deenobrown123 如果美光科技($MU) 的前瞻市盈率(Forward P/E) 为 11，看起来很有前景。我会仔细研究一下，我还没有做过深入分析。
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@Deenobrown123 if $MU's forward p/e is 11 looks promising. ill take a closer look, i haven't done a deep dive yet
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批评某博主推荐的中小盘股名单，指出其持仓逻辑荒谬且风险极高。
@RealJGBanks 抱歉，恕我直言这份名单糟透了，我完全无法认同。 如果 $RGTI、$OKLO、$JOBY、$OPEN、$IONQ 是你按板块划分的中小盘股首选持仓，那就祝你的粉丝组合被核爆吧。 如果有人在 $RGTI 零营收暴涨4000%之前发布这份名单，那倒还说得过去。
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@RealJGBanks Sorry but terrible list imo, couldn't disagree more. If $RGTI, $OKLO, $JOBY, $OPEN, $IONQ are your top choices of small-mid caps to own by sector, have fun nuking the portfolio of followers. If someone posted this list before $RGTI went up 4000% off 0 revenue, then sure.
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类比云业务，认为$NBIS等AI算力基建商建成后利润将超预期。
@PronkDaniel 人们曾对 AWS、Azure、GCP 等说过类似的话，但它们最终成为了“七巨头”(Mag7) 的现金牛。当你将同样的商业模式应用于 AI 算力，并聚焦于 $NBIS 等公司时，在基础设施建设完成后，其盈利能力将超出人们的预期。
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@PronkDaniel People said that about it AWS, Azure, GCP and others but they turned out to be the cash cows of Mag7. When you take the same business but for AI compute then funnel it down to $NBIS and others, it will be more profitable than people think after buildout.
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建议等待$SNAP回调，指出其云支出过高导致净利润不佳。
@capybara_830 呃，我会等待回调，但$SNAP在删除用户记忆或向用户收费后，净利润可能会大幅飙升。他们花在Google Cloud上的钱简直荒谬。他们的营收数据很漂亮，但净利润却不尽如人意。
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@capybara_830 uhh I'd wait for a pullback, but $SNAP net income will probably shoot up a ton after deleting everyone's memories or making people pay. The amount of money they spend on Google Cloud is absolutely absurd. Their revenue numbers are great, net profit not so much.
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认可RDDT和NBIS为优质云服务商
@rioferdy838 $RDDT 和 $NBIS 都是优秀的云服务提供商(CSP)，不错的选择
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@rioferdy838 Both $RDDT and $NBIS are great CSPs, good choice
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对BITF持观望态度，因研究不足暂不给明确观点。
@foogleman1234 所有新云/挖矿股可能都在买入/持有之间浮动，包括 $BITF。我还没有对它做足够的尽职调查(DD)来给出像 $NBIS 或 $CIFR 那样明确的方向性观点。
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@foogleman1234 All neocloud/miners probably float between buy/hold including $BITF. Haven’t done enough DD on it yet to give a good directional opinion like $NBIS or $CIFR.
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建议长期持有以博取类似PLTR的资本利得。
@NateWGlass 你说得对，我会选择卖出，哈哈。如果你目前持有它，不妨继续持有以获取长期资本利得，并期待它像 $PLTR 那样表现。
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@NateWGlass Ur right I'd move to sell lol. It if you're holding it currently might as well keep it for long term capital gains + pull a $PLTR.
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博主表示看好Snap，计划周一买入。
@dubiousnoob 说实话，我现在挺看好 $SNAP 的。我可能会在周一买入一些。
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@dubiousnoob Tbh I like $SNAP now. I'd probably buy some Monday
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RGTI空头回补推升股价，因属邪教股故不做空。
空头头寸此前更高 -> 空头回补 -> 股价上涨。15%的空头头寸仍被视为略高。$RGTI 今年早些时候为25.1%，现为14.4%，在拉升过程中买入10%的流通盘导致这种高市值。更多做空 -> 回补 -> 同样的趋势，因为这些都是“邪教股”。这就是我不做空邪教股的原因。
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Short interest was higher before -> SI cover -> price increased. Short interest at 15% is still considered slightly elevated. On $RGTI it was 25.1% earlier this year, now it's 14.4%, buying back 10% of the float on the ramp up causes this elevated MC. Shorting more -> cover -> same trend because these are cult stocks. This is why I don't short cult stocks
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指出IONQ和RGTI的高市值主要由空头头寸驱动。
@commonsenseplay $RGTI 是一个极佳的做空标的。但你要意识到，IONQ 和 $RGTI 市值之所以达到 130 亿美元以上，很大程度上是由空头头寸(short interest)驱动的。
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@commonsenseplay $RGTI is an amazing short. But you do realize that the reason the IONQ/RGTI marketcap is $13B+ is largely driven by short interest.
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分享某股在不同价位下的建仓、补仓及期权操作策略。
@platochi 是的。我会在 $17.35 左右买入股票。如果跌到 $16 就进行成本平均。如果跌到 $15，再跌到 $14 我会买入 LEAPS（长期期权），$12.5 买入更多看涨期权。在股价暴跌时通过期权增加杠杆显然更危险，但如果真跌到那么低，风险回报比是值得的。
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@platochi Yeah. I'd buy shares around $17.35. Cost avg if it went to $16. Again at $15, if it went to $14 I'd do leaps, $12.5 more calls. It's obviously more dangerous taking more leverage with options on a nosedive but if it ever gets that low risk-reward is worth it.
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讨论$HOOD股价突破阻力位后的获利逻辑。
@regard_capital 哦，是的，$HOOD 我也不会预料到，这很合理。无论如何，如果他们的股价大幅突破关键阻力位(Critical Strikes)，你就赚钱了，除非你是为了阻止短期资本利得而回购，否则很难抱怨。
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@regard_capital Oh yeah $HOOD I wouldn't have expected either, makes sense. Either way you made money if they blew past CC strikes so hard to complain unless you're buying back to prevent short term capital gain
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看好ETOR和VIRT的低估价值，建议作为非对称对冲配置，仓位控制在5%-30%。
我认为 $ETOR 被严重低估，市场将一家持有超10亿美元现金的经纪商定价为33亿美元市值，其复利效应堪比盈透证券(IBKR)，这高呼低估。 $VIRT 更多是对冲成长股的工具，但我认为它也被低估了。所以我称之为非对称对冲(asymmetrical hedge)，这比购买隐含波动率(IV)更高的 $VIX 要好。 我将对两者进行成本平均法(cost average)建仓，论点未变。不过请查看我关于仓位配置的其他帖子，我不会将任一标的仓位超过组合的5%，但如果信心极高，最多可分配30%。
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I think $ETOR is incredibly undervalued, market pricing a brokerage holding 1b+ cash at a 3.3B market cap, compounding like IBKR screams undervalued. $VIRT was more of a hedge against growth stocks but I think it's undervalued. So I said asymmetrical hedge which was good instead of buying $VIX with higher IV. I'll cost average both, thesis hasn't changed. Do look at my other posts around positioning though, I wouldn't give more than 5% of my portfolio to either but if there's high conviction maybe up to 30% allocation.
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博主认为导致下跌的新闻无关紧要，基于心理支撑位买入并预期反弹。
@lostinspacez0 嗯，它已经跌了29%，我只是觉得$200是一个心理支撑位，所以最终在那里买入。导致下跌的新闻也不重要，我认为它是通过训练数据收费，而不是AI广告。所以我只觉得它会反弹。
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@lostinspacez0 Well it already dropped 29% and I just felt $200 was some psychological support, so ended up buying around there. The news that caused the drop was also immaterial, it gets paid for training data, not ai ads I think So I just got the feeling it would rebound
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承认 $VIRT 择时失误，但看好其基本面与回购。
@BaronAfanas 我正在对 $VIRT 进行定投，原始头寸亏损约 30%。不过我确实错判了离场时机，这是我的失误，原本以为 $32 会是更好的入场点。部分原因是做市商(Market Maker)做空，但该股票基本面被低估，且有 3 亿美元的股票回购。
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@BaronAfanas I'm cost averaging $VIRT, original positions are down 30% or so But yeah I timed drop wrong, was my mistake, seemed like $32 would be better entry. Part of that is MM shorting but the stock is fundamentally undervalued and there's 300m in buybacks.
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RKLB市值对标SpaceX，比特币达40万美元
@sunny21704 @WaggaDoo $RKLB 3500亿美元市值对标SpaceX。比特币$40万
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@sunny21704 @WaggaDoo $RKLB 350B marketcap to match SpaceX. Bitcoin $400k
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给出RKLB一年目标价，并对比不同标的的预测周期。
@WaggaDoo $RKLB 12个月目标价$225。我没有足够的信息来给出该时间范围之外的预测。 对于像 $RKLB 或 $IBIT 这类标的，我很乐意给出5年期的预测。
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@WaggaDoo $225 PT 1 year. I don't have enough info to give predictions outside that timeframe. For stuff like $RKLB or $IBIT im happy giving 5 year predictions though
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指出微软远期估值数据有误，实际市盈率远低于表面水平。
@investnyourself 我相当确定在微软(MSFT)交易后，远期市盈率(Forward P/E)数据有误。许多远期营收数字也不准确。我估计 $MSFT 及其他超大规模云服务商(Hyperscalers) 2026年营收为40-60亿美元，2027年为70-90亿美元。毛利率约为70%左右。我不想做具体计算，但远期市盈率远低于表面看起来的水平。
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@investnyourself Pretty sure that forward p/e figure is off after the MSFT deal. A lot of forward rev # are off too. $MSFT + other hyperscalers est. 4-6B revenue 2026, 7-9B 2027 is my guess. 70%~ ish gross margins. I dont want to do the math but forward p/e is a lot lower than it looks.
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看好DOCN转向AI云潜力，考虑建仓观察。
@jesnix7 它有潜力，因为它正在转向 AI 云。我实际上可能会在我的投资组合中加入 $DOCN，看看它的发展情况。
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@jesnix7 It has potential since it's pivoting to AI cloud. I might add $DOCN in my port actually to see where it goes
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作者持有NBIS，视估值决定操作，因长期不确定性采用短期交易框架。
我的意思是，目前 $NBIS 被低估了，我只是持有它，所以即使股价跳涨到 150 美元我也不会卖出。但如果它明天随机跳涨到 1000 亿美元市值或每股 300 美元以上，我可能会卖出并寻找低位重新买入。 这真的取决于具体情况。 五年后没人真正知道结果。超大规模云服务器芯片上线后，Neoclouds 可能会像 $SMCI 那样在季度营收超 50 亿美元时面临利润率压缩和营收增速放缓。 或者它们可能成为新的 AWS。我还无法做出这种预测，这就是为什么我采用 6 个月至 1 年的时间框架进行操作。
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I mean right now $NBIS is undervalued I'm just holding it so I wouldn't sell even if it jumped to $150. But if it randomly jumps to $100B marketcap tomorrow or $300+ a share, I would probably sell look to rebuy lower. It really depends. 5 years down the road nobody really knows. Hyperscaler chips come online, Neoclouds might pull an $SMCI at 5B+ quarterly revenue with margin compression and less revenue ramp. Or they might become the new AWS. I can't make that prediction yet, which is why I do things in 6 months -1 year timframes.
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感谢提醒关注$KSPI，认为当前是不错的买入时机。
@Shtula85361 @shravanrayhaan 哇，谢谢你们提醒我关注 $KSPI。我完全忘了这个股票代码。看起来现在是个不错的买入时机。https://t.co/CveoiwpcJh
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@Shtula85361 @shravanrayhaan Wow thanks for reminding me of $KSPI. Completely forgot about that ticker. Looks like a good buy now. https://t.co/CveoiwpcJh
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建议下跌时加仓摊低成本，超跌后转为做多。
@CQuacky74685 @Pacheca12345 我认为即使在单日下跌 5% 时，也应通过买入股票进行成本平均(Cost Average)。如果股价进一步下跌，就买入更多股票。如果跌幅远低于预期，则转为做多(Longs)。
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@CQuacky74685 @Pacheca12345 I'd say cost average with shares even on a 5% day. Buy more shares if it dips. Then switch to longs if it dips way below expectations.
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认可ConvictionLab提到的两个做多标的。
@ConvictionLab 两个都是不错的做多标的。
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@ConvictionLab both good longs
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建议不做IREN和WULF认股权证，看好CSP合作，IV高因预期交易。
@__visionxry__ 我可能不会做 $IREN 和 $WULF 的认股权证(CC)。另一方面，云服务提供商(CSP)对 IREN 来说是很好的。这些标的的隐含波动率(IV)极高是有原因的，因为人们预计交易随时会公布。
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@__visionxry__ I probably wouldn't do CC's on $IREN and $WULF. CSP's are great on the other hand for IREN. IV is extremely high for a reason on stuff because people are expecting a deal to come anytime.
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博主解释在谷歌交易及增资后建立CIFR头寸。
@philllyfanatic 是的，很明智。我仅在 $GOOGL 的交易达成以及资本增加之后，才建立了 $CIFR 的头寸。
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@philllyfanatic Yeah smart. I only built a position in $CIFR after the $GOOGL deal and capital rise too
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认为ETOR今日大跌被低估，因其高现金储备及强劲增长。
@MakhmudovAkbar 是的，$ETOR 今天跌了 5% 确实是个好机会。真心不知道为什么跌这么多，毕竟他们持有约 33% 的现金，且增长速度堪比 $IBKR。
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@MakhmudovAkbar Yeah $ETOR is great on a 5% drop today. Genuinely don't know why it's down so much given they're like 33% cash and growing at $IBKR rates.